SECURITY discussion results

On March 2nd a discussion was launched on Twitter & Facebook about the themes of
Sorg & Napoleon Maddox
songs entitled "SECURITY"

Most of the dialogue transpired in a Facebook Group / event page.
These are some highlights of the conversation:

Question to Boogie Bang: (of Red Eye Blue): you had 2 completely different extra ILL verses on the ISWHAT?! and Sorg & Napoleon Maddox versions of ‪#‎SECURITY‬ ... is there a link between the 2 verses? Did you have specific points you wanted to make with each verse?

His Response: the first joint was a character reference of sorts i kind of came at it from the eyes of a young cat who really has no idea of the importance that his gun rights should hold in his life and the wildness that stems from having access to a power but not really understanding or respecting the full nature of that power, because gun rights of all the rights afforded us as americans is the most important in my view because if any of your other rights are trampled you have the power to take on any institution that would challenge those rights which is the reason that across the country you see a concerted effort to diminish the rights of average citizens to own keep or stockpile fire arms, and the african american man is targeted even more so because of our tortured history here. the second joint was from a more broad view like where the misuse winds up cause lets face it with any power great or small there is the room for abuse or misuse but in that verse everyone is a victim the killer the preacher the store owner the community and even the drug dealers, but what we have to ask is what are they victims of gun violence or socio economic neglect? when we research cancer we find that though cancer is the killer you have to find out the cause of the cancer and by doing this we nullify the affects of the sickness by eliminating the cause.

Question to Marc Nammour (of La Canaille): a few people have shared diff positions on a the current state of French Rap in your society where there are not gun lobbyist, and much less of a problem of gun violence YET still there are artists in your country with these images ... it's easy to say they are copying US rappers w/ guns in videos etc ... but what could be the other factors?

His Response:
I'll say that it's more the image of the gangster who fascinate those MCs. And that is worldwide unfortunately... The man behind the gun is respected. Because of the fear that it provides. Because of the romantic shit of the boss of a street life. But I'm glad to observe that in France people are still mostly against weapon. Glad to hear plenty of French MC's writing good poetry. That's the only real weapon against stupidity, brutality, and violence. Culture, education, curiosity. The 3 main points for poor people to emancipate them selves from exploitation.

Question to Eileen:You've lived in a few different US metropolitan areas Eileen Owens ... How have you percieved (OR HAVE YOU PERCEIVED)... the relationship between trends in Black music and violence?

Her Response:t is my perception that it is relative. On one hand violence is perpetuated due to youngins living vicariously through a video rather it is the music or game and the other hand I question what came first situational violence which leads to the music or the music that leads to the violence ... I must add that having an up close personal view of an area where violence was the norm, I'm can't say that 'black music' played a significant role in the violence as maybe some of the more obvious factors such as poverty, lack of knowledge of life beyond what is in front of them... I can't think of a specific artist that may have an impact. I have very close friends that love gangsta rap they are professionals I don't know them to be at all violent. I really believe that the other factors along with some of today's music perpetuates violence.

Lauren posted:
I was thinking about related things today, actually. About 1) how hard it would be to value and subsequently/consequently take care of people, places and things if one's life often lacked stable people, places and things.... And 2) where the line should be drawn in expecting an individual to develop said value and care, without a background modeling it.

to which Carol replied:
I've been keeping watch on the discussion wish I could have more engagement, small step here -- Lauren, I love the questions you pose - I think about this a lot, for me - any real resolve of violence would also mean a context in which the desire and actions to care for one another exist, and always it is an option - a resource available to all of us. To your question --- 1) how hard it would be to value and subsequently/consequently take care of people, places and things if one's life often lacked stable people, places and things...' I think has to be further nuanced in the ways that we are or are not tied to the fates of others, which points to the a great value within spaces where there is also great violence (usually associated with some or several aspects of poverty, marginalizing outcomes, discrimination... ) often there is a value to express some taking care of people, but its dynamic and other forces are also at play - I guess what I am saying, I think we need to nuance our ideas of difficult circumstances and we may discover care is not lacking but it is difficult to be extended where needs are so great and then we can better connect with those needs.


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